Gestalt Character(s)

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Gestalt Character(s)

iamgrimm 07 Feb 2012 20:31

Hello, I'm looking to join Bill's Wednesday night session, and I've got what I feel is a neat character idea that would ideally take advantage of the Gestalt variation. I don't want to give away too much about the character publicly, (there is supposed to be an element of mystery surrounding the character), but the two classes are nothing outlandish or anywhere near broken. One is a core melee class, the other is from the 3.5 PHBII. With this particular build, I have no ambitions of multi-classing (a level or two of fighter at most), and no aims to take advantage of any Prestige classes, or templates.

As I mentioned to Bill, the character could be played without the Gestalt features, it could still be an interesting character, I just think it's power level would quickly get obliterated by those using the more exotic resources out there. For example, even using Gestalt for this character idea, pretty much anything out of the Tome of Battle would still likely perform better in most situations.

I know I'm being somewhat vague, and for that I apologize, I really cannot see this character breaking anything, it'd just be hella fun to play. I'd be happy to get into details a bit more with the council if they need more information. Bill already has most of the details pertaining to the character idea, I just didn't want to spoil anything for potential other PCs. If necessary, I can make the full character details available.

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

Soft Insanity 07 Feb 2012 20:38

Instead of Gestalt, consider making your own class or prestige class based on the concept. Try not to "top load" the new class.

This way anybody can choose to take the class.

Another alternative if you are fishing for certain features is to request "gestalt" feats like swift hunter, or stat switching feats, like toughness of the mind. Pathfinder has plenty of these feats already.

This way anybody can choose to take these feats.

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

iamgrimm 07 Feb 2012 21:03

I like the idea, I sent you a PM giving a bit more insight into what my overall goal was, although I still didn't give you much of the character background. Again I can provide it if need be, but if we're designing something custom, then I'd imagine that the reasoning behind it is less important than making it fair-ish.

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

iamgrimm 07 Feb 2012 23:31

I spent some time chatting with Duralan this evening about possible ways of making my would be character come to life to it's fullest without going Gestalt.

We essentially came up with giving the PHBII Dragon Shaman (pg11), Full BAB as opposed to it's current 3/4 BAB.

It would be awesome to include martial weapon proficiency and gaining rage as a barbarian would, but if not, that could easily be gotten around with a 1 level Barbarian dip and the Extra Rage Feat.

Even with all of the above included, I don't think anyone could call the Dragon Shaman broken, but it'd certainly be more effective, and a whole wack load more fun. :)

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

Bill Bisco 08 Feb 2012 00:19

I would generally agree with boosting up the Dragon Shaman. Full BAB would be fine. Perhaps a martial weapon of choice for proficiency would be acceptable.

As far as Rage goes, perhaps you could create a custom Draconic Aura of Rage (Grants +2 Str +2 Con +1 Will saves and doesn't stack with rage) whenever it's inactive, you become fatigued for X minutes or whatever.

Or perhaps a feat to grant your character Rage 1/day.

Give it some thought,

Bill

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

iamgrimm 08 Feb 2012 15:55

Perhaps a martial weapon of choice for proficiency would be acceptable.

Ideally the character would wield something like a Dwarven Waraxe, or some sort of Hammer with the same type of properties. (Bastard Swords are so boring).

I'd considered Martial Weapon - Warhammer, and combining it with the Exotic Weapon - Heavy Weapon(Warhammer) feat (Magic of Faerun, pg 179, Heavy Weapons), but that turns 1d8 -> 2d6. I'd rather find or come up with something at 1d10, and leave the 2d6 stuff to the people swinging 2 handers.

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

Bill Bisco 08 Feb 2012 17:44

There are tons of books with weapons, maybe there is one that lists a d10 weapon. But either way you could just reflavor bastard sword to be something else. You could also request a new type of weapon or perhaps we can make it such that dragon shamans get a free exotic weapon prof at 1st level. This would make it comparable wih fighter who also gets a free proficiency but it's of their choice and they get better hp and armor. This way it makes dragon shaman a more interesting dip but doesn't invalidate the desire to dip into existing classes ( and becomes more attractive as a dip). Or maybe I'm just being silly and dragon shamans should just get all martial and armor, they'd just be reflavored marshalls.

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

Bill Bisco 09 Feb 2012 00:21

Perhaps I'm being too conservative. Full Bab, Martial Weapons, and Heavy armor would probably be fine, that's my vote.

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

Farr1s 09 Feb 2012 00:34

Check out the Lucerne hammer and Bec de Corbin on the pathfinder srd if you want a d10 dealing weapon

Re: Gestalt Character(s)

Soft Insanity 09 Feb 2012 01:08

full bab, martial weapons, and heavy armor approved. If anyone wishes to play a marshal they should consider filling in the dead levels.

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